Thursday Tip: Chopper
Nemesis Trick: Chopper
Also Known As: Inverted V, Straddle, Helicopter
I’ve hesitated for a while from posting this particular Tip. Because in my experience, the main reason why people can’t get this trick is because they just aren’t strong enough.
There, I said it.
I have seen people take a year to get this. It’s a VERY DIFFICULT TRICK! If you are using muscle strength, and not momentum, to LIFT into it you have to be REALLY strong. I DO NOT believe in jumping, or using any kind of swing to get into it. AT ALL. My benchmarks for this would be: you should be able to do at least 1 pull up, with control, so that you have the upper body and grip strength. And you should be able to do a controlled headstand, because by the time you’re working on the chopper, you’re supposed to fully understand how to work through your core to lift your feet without any kind of a kick or push. And you should definitely be doing one-armed spins with an engaged shoulder NO PROBLEM.
Now let’s say that you have all that. Then we can talk about little tweaks you can do to make your form better, and how to work on biomechanics so that you are doing this safely and with minimum expenditure of energy. Because we don’t like expending more then we need to. Because AFTER you chopper, you still have a whole beautiful combo in mind, right? And you don’t want to be all pooped.
Don’t use ANY momentum, for the love of all that is holy. When you are first learning, you should lift your feet off the ground by pulling your shoulders down and shoulder blades together, and pulling down on the pole with your hands. Count “one Mississippi” and THEN crunch your knees in to your chest. NO MOMENTUM. Then, in a tuck, count “one Mississippi” BEFORE you start to tilt. If that’s too long for you to hold, you have no business working on this!
Hand positioning. A chopper, just like a basic invert, requires you to get your hips OVER your hands. It’s like a seesaw: your head is one end, your legs the other, and in between (your hands) is the tippy point. If you are holding too high when you start, you are making this WAY harder on yourself because you need to somehow get your hips higher than your hands. So I usually tell people shoulder height or lower. Make sure that you are not over gripping– your wrists should be in neutral alignment before you lift your legs off the floor.
When you are working on this move, you should have your hands in baseball grip– just like you would for a regular pole hold. Some people have been doing it with the top hand cupped (palm facing away, thumb down) and while it will make it easier to get into the move (because you can push away with the top hand), it isn’t working the same, super important muscles for inverts– hence, why it’s easier– and it’s not as stable once you get upside down.
Along the same lines, think about your HEAD. If you are staring straight ahead when you are trying to invert, you’re messing with the seesaw: how can your legs come up if your head is staying glued upright? I don’t advise anyone to “throw” their head back—throwing an 8 pound head back wards isn’t going to magically make your hips float up. Instead, be conscious of lengthening your neck; your head should be an extension of your spine. As you tip back, make sure that you are keeping your head aligned with your body and tipping it back as well. When you are fully upside down, relaxing through the neck to let your head tip back fully can make the move look much more finished and effortless.
Play tug of war. To get your hips up to the pole, you need to PULL as hard as you effing can on the pole. Imagine the way that you pull on a rope if you’re sitting on your butt and pulling it towards you as hard as you can, like in tug of war. Now imagine that you were playing tug of war with someone, and they suddenly let go. What would happen? You would fall over backwards, butt over head, and somersault over. Now imagine that same force on the pole. You are exerting by pulling DOWN on the pole with your arms as you straighten them, and if you pull hard enough, and keep your core active and your knees tight to your chest, it will result in you tipping gently backwards and pulling your hips to the pole. Now, either your core and arms are so rock solid that you can just heave those hips up with pure will. Or, you can do a little cheat. Yes, there is a LITTLE cheat. I will show you now (or click here to see direct on YouTube):
The idea is that instead of using brute strength to pull your hips UP and over your hands, you allow your grip to VERY lightly soften at the same time that you are pulling so that your hands slide down AS you are pulling your hips up and pulling your shoulders back. The net result is that you end up lowering your tippy point, making it easier to get your hips up because you are lowering the rest of your body instead. Does that make sense?
Let your milkshake bring all the boys to the yard. Make sure that you don’t stop pulling your hips up until your crotch is literally TO THE POLE. It’s much, much harder to maintain this position:
As opposed to this position:
In the second picture, your hips (and butt) are right on top of your upper body so the weight of your legs is easier to hold up. If you let your hips fall away from the pole, they become way heavier and your core will have to work a lot harder to keep them up. If you’re having trouble getting your hips up the last tiny little bit, think about pulling your chest forward, and shoulder blades even closer together as you continue to pull down on the pole. It will help you to stack your weight over your hands.
And finally, a note of caution: While you are bearing body weight using just your arms, you need to be really careful to engage through your back. Pull your shoulder blades together and shoulders down and away from your ears the ENTIRE TIME. Think of it this way: muscle tissue, when it’s not engaged, isn’t very strong. It’s sort of like wet tissue paper. If you let your back round, like this (umm because the camera was on the floor, my legs are strangely large and my head is strangely small, don’t mind that!):
…then you are depending on the muscle between your shoulder blades (your rhomboids) to keep your shoulder blades together and when you’re in a chopper, you’re hanging ALL your body weight on those arms!! Instead, you want to be in this position (which you should KNOW already because you are doing one-armed spins NO PROBLEM, RIGHT??):
It’s worth repeating this, because it’s something you need to be conscious of the ENTIRE time you are working on this trick and the ENTIRE time you are upside down. I can’t tell you how many people have told me that they have a weird, pinchy feeling between their shoulder blades—it’s because they’ve pulled or strained this muscle by hanging weight on it like a wet tissue! Think of pulling your chest forward between your arms and letting those boobs breathe and see some sunshine.
It’s actually a great strengthening move to hold the chopper for as long as possible, pulling your chest through your arms, keeping your hips high and all the way into the pole– making sure, of course, that if you start to get fatigued you come out of it by wrapping your legs around the pole above you and going into a basic invert, or a leg hang. If you’re tired, DON’T come out of it the way you came into it, because you won’t be able to control your speed, stay properly engaged, and are at a higher risk for injury.
If you are working on doing this with straight legs, build up to it by keeping just one leg straight at a time and opening the other leg out when your hips are all the way up. When you are working both legs straight in your chopper, think about opening your legs as wide as possible and pulling your crotch up (rolling through your pelvis) from in between them, instead of lifting your legs up.
If there are other tips that you’ve gotten that have helped you, or that have helped your students, feel free to leave them in the comments!
Tomorrow’s post: My first class…





We were chatting about this last night in class- very timely post! I couldn’t agree with you more about needing the upper body strength and not jumping. I find that if ladies are exposed to the move too soon, the chances of pulling their back muscle (the one near their shoulder blades) increases. Cheers~
absolutely Jane!! I know the move LOOKS simple but I really wish people would be cautious as the muscle strength required is pretty significant.
Wonderful post! I shared this morning on Facebook with my students and I hope that they’ll take everything that you’ve said into serious consideration. So often I see folks doing things (or wanting to) that they simply aren’t yet strong enough to do and it sucks to be the bearer of you’re not strong enough news.
And just so we’re clear, I took away some tips as well! Thanks!
Thanks Sarcee, and glad to hear that there were things in here that were useful for you
Really enjoyed reading this article and appreciate your candidness. The chopper, like many pole moves, are executed based on brute upper body strength because the common misconception that pole is solely an upper body workout. So when students with little training, or prior athletic experience attempt a trick, they automatically focus on lifting with their arms…and there arms alone. Engaging core and lower body should be a part of pole training from day one in my opinion!
ABSOLUTELY and also a great reason to continually drill climbs and to incorporate moves into warmup that teach the proper mechanics and body positioning and awareness that students will need as they continue to progress!
Amy I find that my mid-back hurts after doing this move, that’s below the shoulder blades all across my back. Someone suggested that I may be relying too much on back muscles rather than abs. I’m fairly strong and am able to do this aerially as well, but I’m becoming concerned and wonder what I need to work on.
Any thoughts welcome!
Thanks
Hey Apple–
If you’re using mostly lats to lift, then that could be causing soreness if you aren’t strong enough to actually be doing it that way. One way to isolate lats in a chopper is to keep your arms straight the entire time; so thinking of the reverse, it may be that you are straightening your arms too early in the invert so that you have to do the majority of the hip-lifting by using lats instead of keeping the core tight and pulling down with arms. Does that sound possible?
Yeah, I think your right on. I may have over compensated with my lats. I’ll test this out next time on the pole, and get to work on some serious ab development. They’re not bad, I think I’m just slightly lazy on engaging them and want to get to the point where it’s automatic and my first line of defense.
Your such a font of knowledge … Love you! And thanks for this post despite your hesitations. It’s helpful for a lot of peeps.
SO glad to have been able to be of help
Let me know how you get on with that! xoxo
I LOVE this tip, it’s my favourite one so far!
Another great tip I got was from Ginadances blog: keep the elbows slightly bent the entire time to really make sure the shoulders stay activated.
And thanks for the ‘rolling the pelvis up’ tip for working on the chopper with both straight legs. I’ll try that when I’ve built more strength!
Thanks Chwenny
Can you elaborate a little on how keeping your elbows bent keeps your shoulders active? I’m not quite sure I understand… It makes sense that keeping your elbows bent forces you to work the biceps, but in an invert I focus on using rhomboids and traps to pull shoulder blades together and down, which actually encourages your chest to come forward and arms to straighten… keeping elbows bent can prevent you from pulling hard enough on the pole to get your hips all the way up (if you look at the first set of pictures, you can see arms are bent in the top “bad” picture and straight in the bottom one). I don’t typically cue the shoulder joint itself or what it’s doing. I’d love to know more!
Oh, I definitely don’t mean as bent as they are in the ‘wrong’ pic! When I look at the ‘correct’ pic, I see a tiny micro bend in your elbows, which is what I’m referring to. I guess it’s just a different terminology (for the same thing) that keeps me mindful to use my back and shoulders because my arms tend to hyper-extend when I fully straighten them. So I think of keeping that little micro-bend to prevent a hyperextended ‘hang’ of the arms that usually results in a rounded back and non-engaged shoulders.
I’m glad you found something that works for you! You do have to keep the inside arm bent, because unless your arms are two different lengths, it’s impossible to have them both straight and be square to the pole
Amy, this is an awesome and very informative post. I think another important tip is to tell people to engage their muscles as they lower their legs back down to the ground. So often I see students pull up into this move, but after holding it briefly, they just bail out of it and fall down to the ground. This can cause injuries in the lats and back, so it should be mentioned that the descent should be SLOW AND CONTROLLED as well. Sometimes people forget that the dismount (or descent) is just as important (if not more!!) as the entry. Basically you must reverse the movement coming down (i.e. pulling your chest back up to the pole with bent arms) to work your muscles and build proper strength.
Agree, the descent is a great way to strengthen (especially if you pull up with bent arms at the end
and it should be just as controlled as the ascent. As long as people are able to stay engaged through the back and keep their shoulder blades together the entire time. Thanks for posting Allison
I am still trying to go straight into a chopper, so this was very helpful! Also, my instructor told us to “get the feel of it” by going into an invert, then putting our legs into a V , then hold it as long as we can. It helps get your body used to that position so when you actually go into a chopper it isn’t so foreign.
Thanks for the suggestion Christine, and that is a great way to get familiar with the engagement that’s needed just to even hold the position!
this has ALWAYS been a (almost) hit or miss for me….. i could NEVER get my woman bits to kiss the pole
i shall try your tip! THANK YOU for this <3
I learned this move pretty quickly after practicing it in reverse. I did a basic invert, lowered my legs into a V, then did a controlled decent down. This REALLY helped train my core. I found it much easier to come down out of a chopper than try to go into one. After a couple of weeks practicing this way, I could do a chopper no problem. Do you think you could do a tip on a spinning chopper? That’s something I want to learn!
Sure, do you mean a spinning chopper on static pole or a chopper on spin pole?
Thank you so much! This is incredibly helpful, although it is definitely bringing home how much strength training I still need to do. I really love the way you break everything down by body group, and I KNOW I’ve been rounding my back out. I know it’s more a beginner move, but if you’re ever looking for Tips ideas I would love to see your breakdown of a basic invert. Your descriptions help me see moves in new ways
I would love to do a basic invert, that’s a great suggestion
Love this post! I just started back poling a month ago after taking a year off. I haven’t done any inversions yet, and I’ve been frighten to do so. But the tips you’ve given make me more confident to practice my inversions and eventually the chopper again. Thanks Amy!
I’m so glad and I’m excited to see you’re back in the saddle
Thanks for the upper body conditioning exercises, because that is totally what I am currently struggling with. I have poor upper body strength.
Anytime! I hope they help
Even doing them once a week, you should be able to see a difference!
Amy – do these same tips apply for an Aerial Chopper? (i.e. is a chopper from the floor and a chopper in the air the same, or are they different, like basic inverts and aerial inverts?) I think this might help me understand the move a little better.
My head gets in the way sometimes – I think too much about an invert, think I’m not doing it right, convince myself I’m not, then end up not doing it right or just avoiding it entirely until I “feel like I’m strong enough” to try it again.
I’m trying to make this move more graceful. This advice will help me. Thank you Amy, a big kiss from Italy
can’t to an one arm spin yet but my inverted v is fine.. im always worring about my one arm grip and arm strength..any tips??
x
Thank you for this tuesday tip I know it’s a bit older but we are working on it (me and my best Pole friend
) and we have some difficulties to do it. Thanks again I hope it will work some day